Talk:Modesty

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==Safety hazards of modesty==

In many situations, modesty is wise, but there are some situations where modesty can cause harm, e.g. it has often been said that "people would rather die than take their clothes off in public". With the recent bioterror attacks, the ability of people to accept being stripped and washed down may result in the saving of many lives. It has therefore been suggested that work should be done to help society overcome problems with body image, in order to be better prepared for situations that might require disrobing in less than totally private situations.

This appears to me to be a rather strange paragraph. It takes a POV: "modesty is wise", and then another POV, "work should be done to help society overcome problems with body image, in order to be better prepared for situations that might require disrobing in less than totally private situations", which it intrroduces with the weasel words "It has therefore been suggested that". Who says that? When did they say it? Cite please? -- Karada 16:11, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

recasting needed

The whole #Controversy section needs to be torn down and rewritten. It plays up a controversy that, I would wager, does not cross the minds of the majority of human beings who are perfectly happy with their cultural norm of modesty. It places the view of the "critics" front and center without giving any indication of who they are, whence they come, and how many they number. It ignores anthropological and zoological explanations for differing modesty norms (e.g. Desmond Morris's explanation that the habit of wearing clothing stems from the stance of human beings which, alone among the primates, puts the genitals on constant display). It does not touch on the effects of climate, nor on the correlation between norms of modesty and norms of sexuality. The "Western norm" is the only one described fully (and in a very general fashion, ignoring the real cultural variations between Western countries), while others are only mentioned in relation to that Western norm—and even then, vast areas and multitudes are simply passed over. History is non-existent; there is no discussion, even in the description of western norms, of how norms of modesty can vary over time.

I've listed this page on Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias open tasks in the hopes of attracting some badly-needed attention. —Charles P. (Mirv) 1 July 2005 18:35 (UTC)

Name

Modest is also a first name. Maybe a directory page should be created.

Not true in Europe, only in the US

The application of the standards of modesty at an early age is most noticeable on a public beach when baby girls, even before they can walk, are dressed in two-piece bikinis.

This is only true in the US, but certainly not in mainland Europe.
Little boys and girls usually have their genitalia covered on public beaches at around 2 - 4 years old.
Girls usually cover the places where their breasts will develop after 8 - 10 years old.

Modesty Today

I thinking of adding a sectioning or elaborating more on how modesty is seen today. As norms are ever-changing it is sometimes hard to keep up with what is or is not seen as modest. Sbenedict14 (talk)